Episode 137: A Rose By Any Other Name

The rose is one of the most beloved flowers in western Europe, and it has a long association with English royalty.  In this episode, we explore the history of English gardens and the use of the rose as a symbol of various branches of the royal family.  We also examine the oldest guide to gardening composed in the English language and the origins of the conflict that became known as the ‘Wars of the Roses.’


7 thoughts on “Episode 137: A Rose By Any Other Name

  1. Thanks for the great episode! As for the singular “pea” originally having the “s” at the end, there is the nursery rhyme “Pease porridge hot, pease porridge cold …”. And also, I think, the fairy Peaseblossom in Shakespeare’s “Midsummer Night’s Dream”.

    • Pease pudding (or porridge) was still in vogue when I was growing up in Britain in the 1950s. Personally I loathed it…

  2. Thanks for a fascinating episode and especially the recap of the history! It is hard to keep all the relationships straight especially when there are so many Johns, Edwards, Edmunds, Richards, etc. Learning about all the vegetables and fruits they grew was also super interesting. I had no idea they had such a varied diet (at least the rich people did).

  3. Hey Kevin, great episode as always! Posted the interesting information about the origin of “blackcole” vs. kale, coleslaw, cauliflower, collards and (I presume) kohlrabi on my Facebook page and started a very long discussion. Much longer than you’d think cabbages would generate.

    But, I can’t find a reference to “blackcole” “blackcaul” “blackcoal” etc. online anywhere. Can you clarify exactly how it’s spelled?


    • I am not familiar with “blackcole.” In the episode, I discussed the links between cole, cole slaw, colewort, collards, kale, cauliflower. Maybe you’re thinking of one of those terms?

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